The bottom line
Consistent content marketing brings in clients even when the website is ugly. Interviewing experts, learning, executing and teaching builds trust that removes any need for paid marketing or client hunting.
Key takeaways
- Trust built through content won customers, not website design. 5:32
- The first podcast site was a plain page he designed and built himself, and it still brought in customers.
- He later added a one-page site with logos and a contact form, which he rates about a 2 or 3 out of 5.
- Interviewing admired experts started the content engine. 3:38
- He cold-contacted people he had read about and asked them to be his first podcast guests, and they said yes.
- He started the podcast in May 2013 while still working full time.
- The loop of learn, execute, then teach turns content into expertise people trust. 7:02
- The interviews worked as free consulting from guests, which he applied to his own apps and then shared with the audience.
- That trust brought clients without outreach or paid ads, and let him leave his job. 4:10
- By the fourth or fifth month, listeners were asking him for marketing help, and he gave notice in September 2013.
- An app launch started at $500 and now costs about six times that, with a team of three.
- Consistency is what makes the strategy work. 8:46
- He has published almost 500 episodes in three years.
- A handful of other app podcasts have dropped off because they could not keep up.
People just consistently come to me looking for advice. That's what content marketing can do for you.
Steve P. Young
Chapter summaries
0:00 From cassette tapes to the corporate ladder
A long-held wish to run his own business only became real when other podcasters showed a smaller, balanced way to do it.
- Seeing others earn well without a huge company finally pushed him toward entrepreneurship. 1:52
- He sold cassette tapes to classmates in sixth grade, so the entrepreneur itch started early.
- He earned a business degree with a computer science minor, then kept climbing the corporate ladder.
- Pat Flynn and John Lee Dumas inspired him.
- Growing up in the Bay Area, he assumed success meant raise millions and sell for billions.
- They showed him he could make money and still live a balanced life.
2:18 From a first app to a podcast
A successful first app gave him a business to talk about, and interviewing heroes in that space became the podcast.
- A quick first app win in 2011 hooked him on app building. 2:44
- He built it in Corona with modified code templates, and it reached number eight in educational games on launch week.
- The app was free and brought thousands of downloads right away.
- He chose Corona over Objective-C because his HTML and PHP background made it easy. It is based on Lua.
- His son was 18 months old, so he coded early mornings, nights and weekends.
- The podcast idea came from the app business he already had. 3:26
- He wanted a podcast but did not want another entrepreneurship show.
- His first guests were Sylvain from Apptamin and Tope from App Design Vault.
- His marketing background as a growth hacker at a San Francisco startup gave him some skill, though he felt he knew little then.
- He gave three months' notice, which he says was probably too long.
- He expected to earn from courses or his own apps, not from an agency.
5:11 Demand pulls him into an agency
Requests from listeners pushed him into the agency work he had resisted.
- He resisted an agency because services do not scale. 5:54
- Growing up in the Bay Area taught him to build a product and sell it.
- He had no other plan for making money yet.
- His rule was you gotta build a product you gotta sell it.
- He turned down clients even after the first site had brought him customers.
- Steady requests made him add a simple service page. 6:12
- Enough people kept asking for marketing help that he changed his mind.
- Learning from guests was enough to draw people in.
- He did not have to share much of what he learned at first.
- Executing came next, so the order became learn, execute, teach.
7:11 A lean team and wider content
Staying small keeps his services affordable and leaves room for family.
- A team of three keeps the work affordable and the life balanced. 7:54
- He serves developers, startups and major companies.
- He no longer feels he must do everything himself.
- He balances agency days with being a dad and husband.
- He expects to charge more as the team gets better.
- Content now grows beyond the podcast. 8:36
- The team is adding blog posts and webinars.
- It all started with interviews of his heroes.
- He credits the system he kept running.
In the growth library
Steve P. Young, Founder of App Masters, app marketing agency and podcast host. A podcast built on interviewing admired people in the app space became the lead source for a marketing agency, with no paid marketing and no outbound client search. The lesson is that consistent content, backed by learning, executing and teaching, earns trust that brings customers to you even with a very ugly website.
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